
If you're a Vista-wary Windows user who would rather switch than fight, should you move to a Linux distro or Apple's OS X? We asked a Mac fan and a Linux advocate to lead a guided tour of each OS.
I have not used Windows Vista but I prefer both to Windows XP.
Agreed. Definitely agreed.
For the average (typical) computer user, I'd say Mac over Linux every time. (I use both...) For the more computer savvy, Linux is an option, although Mac OS X can make a power user very happy with its Unix-y goodness.
One of my biggest complaints with most Linux distros (still) is driver support. I had to jump through some major hoops to get Ubuntu to recognize the Broadcom wireless built-in to our work laptops (HP.) From surfing around the forums, I realize Broadcom is a real problem...Unfortunately, a LOT of laptops use Broadcom for wireless.
For the less technical user, hunting down drivers is a killer. Also, most users won't understand the concept of how most software is downloaded and installed in Linux. For the power user, this isn't much of an issue.
What's good to see is that Linux has come such a long way that we're even able to have this conversation. Choice is good.
Yup it comes down to driver support every time. I've been using Linux now for about 10 years, and still get frustrated sometimes.
Wireless support, for example is patchy at best.
It still cracks me up when I install linux on a five year old system and everything works perfect, then install the latest windows on the same system and nothing works.
Yeah, driver support is never perfect. Windows, Macintosh, and Linux driver support can often be messed up.
For example, my ATI Radeon X300 video card's driver (fglrx) is sub-par on Linux. On the other hand, my HP printer's driver messed up Windows so badly that it couldn't hibernate.
Depends on your needs. If you see computers as a hobby, or if you're really really cheap, Linux may be a good choice.
If you just want to get things done with as little drama as possible, OS X is tough to beat.
Linux can handle large enterprise servers quite well. It's much more than just a cheap hobby.
My company is all Mac desktops with Linux servers. It's a great arrangement.
My company is all Mac desktops with Linux servers. It's a great arrangement.
Our programming and development department is all Mac desktops with Linux servers (our entire company runs off Linux servers), but the unwashed masses (the rest of the employees) are all on Windows.
Matt, I never meant to imply Linux was only a cheap hobby. At the server level, it's a pretty damn compelling mixture of stability, price, features, security and scalability. Personally, I've always hosted on Linux servers. They're VERY good at it.
For the home user, though, Linux is best suited for those who REALLY don't want to pay for software, or who don't mind tinkering with their computer a bit.
Oh, ok, Tim. Fair enough. The only reason I got started with OS X is because I wanted a good laptop and Apple's laptop hardware is great. I now spend a lot less time "taking care" of my desktop than I did with Linux. So I agree completely.
Linux hands down.
Said the long-time Apple basher...
I don't hate Apple, only the some of the illogical design crap they put out like a locked $600 iPhone without a removable battery.
I don't hate Apple, only the some of the illogical design crap they put out like a locked $600 iPhone without a removable battery.
wow, that has a lot to do with their desktop OS and how it compares to linux..
I don't hate Apple, only the some of the illogical design crap they put out like a locked $600 iPhone without a removable battery.
Just because you don't agree with it or because it doesn't fit your personal preference, doesn't make it illogical.
Personally, I am so eternally happy about the iPhone and the iPod not having replaceable batteries. I loathe it that any time I drop my cellphone, the battery falls out of it along with its cover, sometimes forcing me to search underneath furniture to find all the pieces again. I've seen so many people's phones drop in public only to "explode" in a flurry of various little parts, all over the place. I really despise replaceable batteries on small devices, for that very reason. Plus, no normal person would go around carrying spare phone or music player batteries around all the time — it's ridiculous. So what use it is, anyway?
In addition to that, having it be user-replaceable makes it thicker / more bulky. I like slimness on my devices, and less weight as well.
Yes, plenty of people whine and rant about Apple and its "major mistake" of not doing user-replaceable batteries on iPhones and iPods, but here's a hint: if the majority of people actually wanted that, Really wanted it, it would've been in there.
Newsflash: most people actually don't want it. They either just don't care, because they would never even consider something so ludicrous as to carry around spare batteries for all devices everywhere, or they hate when their devices shatter into pieces whenever they're dropped.
The one thing I really hate about macs these days is iCal, and how easy it makes it to send the annoying reminders with the link to acknowledge the reminder that never does anything.
Why don't you simply default to no reminders?
Not my computer. The people with the macs set it up, and I just get spam bombed.
Windows
I do believe you've completely misunderstood the question, although I'm not surprised. ;-)
I do believe you've completely misunderstood my response, although I'm not surprised ;-)
As a longtime Apple user you may be surprised that I'm partially rooting for Linux.
The best part of Apple's OS has always been the effiiency and intuitiveness with which it handles the job. And right now, my productivity is very high -- the only thing I need the PC for is an Excel spreadsheet. Most of my work is developing Ruby on Rails, and OS X is Unix-y enough, and user-friendly enough to pretty much seal the deal right there.
But I've also been VERY unsatisfied with the new Intel hardware in the mac. Namely, the annoying low-CPU-mode high pitched whine (google macbook whine) which Apple refuses to acknowledge despite a petition with nearly 2,000 signatures. I sent my refurb macbook back a half-dozen times, and finally they replaced it with a new 2007 model, which still has the same damn problem.
I currently use debian for my webserver, and it's come a long way... but it's been years since I've used a Linux GUI, so I really can't comment on its ease of use, or environment. I'd say for those who are considering buying new equipment, take a serious look at Linux.
Why do you need a PC for an Excel spreadsheet? MS Office-X is available, as are some free alternatives (I've used NeoOffice a bit, and it's worked fine with every Office document I've thrown at it...)
BTW, it looks like the Macbook whine issue has been solved on newer builds. I have a 2 week old MBP and it's an quiet as a mouse. Also, my year+ old Intel iMac has always been whisper quiet.
I guess I haven't delved too much into the alternatives for opening an Excel spreadsheet, certainly not going to purchase Office for OS X ...
As for the whine, I'll bet your units have it but you just haven't noticed it yet. 1] Close all high CPU applications, or reboot. 2] Turn off the A/C and any other fan noises in the house. 3] Launch Photo Booth (which uses just enough CPU to quiet the whine). 4] Put your ear to the CPU area, near the ESC key. 5] Quit photobooth and notice the soft whine.
As for the whine, I'll bet your units have it but you just haven't noticed it yet. 1] Close all high CPU applications, or reboot. 2] Turn off the A/C and any other fan noises in the house. 3] Launch Photo Booth (which uses just enough CPU to quiet the whine). 4] Put your ear to the CPU area, near the ESC key. 5] Quit photobooth and notice the soft whine.
Well, if I have to go through all that trouble to hear it, then it's not much of an issue. I haven't heard a whine at all, and I've been using it heavily since I got it.
As for Excel, give NeoOffice a try: http://www.neooffice.org/
It's free, and works well.
As for the whine, I'll bet your units have it but you just haven't noticed it yet. 1] Close all high CPU applications, or reboot. 2] Turn off the A/C and any other fan noises in the house. 3] Launch Photo Booth (which uses just enough CPU to quiet the whine). 4] Put your ear to the CPU area, near the ESC key. 5] Quit photobooth and notice the soft whine.
Of course, then try typing on your keyboard like that!!! I don't work in an ultra quiet environment, and with a number of Macbooks, I haven't noticed that whine beyond the first set that came out. So this set-up doesn't represent any environment I work in.
You could also buy a Mac and install Ubuntu Linux in Parallels.
Punch-cards are a better alternative to Windows.
FreeDOS all the way.
I prefer the Linux shells.
FreeDOS has bash
The rest of my familiy runs Apple, I run Mandriva Linux, with a Windows partition for my Windows-only clients. The external firewall box and server runs BSD. I still think of Apple's OS as a BSD, probably better than Linux in some ways, certainly more secure.
I may cut over to BSD from Linux, performance and security considerations. BSD can run Linux binaries, but not the other way round.
My folks are about to partake in "the great experiment". Switching from Windows XP to Linux. I talked them into ordering a Dell Inspiron E1505N laptop pre-loaded with Ubuntu. Wish them luck!
The upcoming release of Apple's much heralded (and delayed) Mac OS X Leopard will likely be my excuse to dump Windows XP.
I'm already a Mac partisan so my comment is biased to the extreme but.....everytime I contemplate serisously using Linux, I stop and think about all the things I take for granted that I would have to leave behind.
oof, forgot to check spelling.
This seems apropos...
http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/2007/07/freetards-in-deep-denial.html
I love my Mac. We are nigh inseparable.
I have always been comfortable with the command line, so Linux is the best choice for me.
The only problem with Linux is that before I build a computer, I have to check out how much various companies support the various parts. I believe the Linux Foundation is working to get companies to start putting a Linux-supported label on their components, as there currently is now with Mac and Windows.
I think it depends if you're a computer person or not. Most younger kids could pick up on the intricacies and quirks of Linux pretty quickly, but someone coming from Windows or from a non-computing background would be pretty confused by a lot of the settings you have to take care of yourself. And beyond that, Linux simply isn't as supported for regular folks.
We get these flame wars constantly. Mac vs. Windows. Windows vs. Linux. Everyone comes out of the woodwork and hawks their side, but in the end, it's all a matter of personal preference.
From the article:
It comes at a time in Obama's campaign when the freshman senator is drawing more financial support from more voters than any other candidate, though he has yet to vault from his second-place position in the polls.
More financial support from more voters than any other candidate?! Yet 2nd in the polls behind Hillary?
This is because the liberal media has already determined our President: Hillary. Which is what those behind the scenes want: whether it's a neocon or a Clinton, it doesn't really matter for the globalist agenda. Both the Clintons and the neocons support Saudi imperialist interests in the Middle East and multinational corporate interests in China, South America, and Africa.
Oh lord, posted this on the wrong tab. Please delete, LOL.
Hillary's website runs on Windows Server 2003 and Obama's is Linux.
Does that help?
I still voted it up, it was confusing at first but funny.
It is amazing to think of how far Linux has come - that it is even being compared to big name OS's such as OSX. I still remember when there were linux groups that would week in week out help newbies through the utter horror that was installing Linux to a computer back in the mid 90's. You literally had to have a team of people who really knew their stuff to even consider it. Now, with the exception of things such as broadcom wireless drivers and a lot of the cheep and cheerful brand stuff you can find in smaller computer stores, you can, often with very little tinkering go from a fresh untouched computer to a fully setup desktop system in around 30 minutes.
As far as desktops go I really do like Enlightenment - OSX pretty, but a damned sight snappier on what would probably be considered today as very old hardware. Certainly faster then either GNOME or KDE on the same system.
It suits my (somewhat limited) needs very aptly, doesn't crash or freeze, is secure and most importantly - leaves me to get on with what I want to do.
I am an xfce user. I find it amazingly fast even on ancient hardware. Actually makes a usable system on a 233.
I can use xfce but I do find it a touch restrictive - Enlightenment is actually every bit as snappy, even on a 233, hell, it even uses some of xfce's bits such as the file browser to do so.
You can try an LiveCD Enlightenment based distro here. I especially like the "Dark" desktop, much easier on the eyes imho.
Which Enlightenment distro do you use? Elbuntu?
Also, E16 or E17?
Elive, the one I pointed to, simply put, it worked out of the box. Also E17. The new 1.0 Gem version is extremely stable from my perspective.
This is a question that's been on my mind for a while. As a PC user, all I've heard are complaints about Vista's compatibility issues with certain software programs and have worried that if I buy a new personal computer, it will come with Vista. Not to mention the hassles and headaches that come with keeping a PC in good working order. Macs seem like a less maintence option, but I'm worried about files and programs I have that are PC-specific.
But Linux and Ubuntu are really getting rave reviews from people, so this article was really helpful.
Nielle, what files and programs are you worried about?
Well I'll just need to purchase Mac versions of all the programs I use like Dreamweaver & Fireworks.
Truthfully, I wouldn't buy a version of Fireworks for either platform, as it's a dead program. But Photoshop on the Mac just rocks in a way its windows brother never has.
Dreamweaver's pretty much the same, although if I were you I'd look at some Mac-only HTML editors, particularly Coda. Dirt cheap, Very good.
Another option would be to pick up an OEM copy of Windows, then get either Parallels or VMware Fusion. That way you could use your existing Windows software until you're ready to upgrade. I did that until I got CS3 for Mac.
oh if only Linux would run (smoothly) Adobe Products...especially adobe illustrator. I'd switch this godforsaken laptop over the linux in a heartbeat
sthig, check out Inkscape. It's an open-source vector illustration program. No illustrator, but very good for most purposes.
thanks, Tim. but i've checked it out and it just doesn't do what I'd need it to do. I'm switching over to mac in January and kissing PC goodbye, it's been a thorn in my side for waaaay too long
What about running them through Wine? I know photoshop, pre CS versions run quite nicely under that?
Mac OSX is the natural alternative to Windows. Linux (as whole) just doesn't care about being better than either of them. Perhaps certain distributions care enough to make it easier for you to transition over, but that is a community driven product which cuts to the heart of what Linux is, a community driven project.
A pragmatists dream come true, Linux along with BSD won't ever die because it is so pervasive and "free" that if anyone truly cares to, can pick it up and use it.
For some of us, we choose OSX because it simply works and we get what we pay for. This is more true than PCs with Windows, but I give them the benefit of the doubt as MS is plagued with @!$%#ty drivers that they sometimes have no control over that cause all sorts of problems.
With Linux, all of it is an open book. Are the drivers @!$%#ty? Then there is the source code, fix them yourself. If you can't, or unwilling, hire someone to do it for you! Isn't that a terrific idea? Not only are you given the option to fix the problem yourself, if you are unable to, you can pay anyone to do it for you. That is key to understanding what Linux is and is not.
Linux fills that niche just nicely and doesn't need a marketing department because frankly, it's community just doesn't care about dominating the market, nor doesn't care about making a profit. All the community cares about is:
How do I or my company modify this thing to fit our needs?
With that question comes the thought of: I hope the changes I've made also help other people who have had the same problem as I.
For a brief history, just read this: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/rhasan/linux/
Here I run a iMac as my primary workstation, a Ubuntu Dapper Server and Ubuntu Feisty on my laptop.
I got a great deal on the laptop so I can't really complain that I had to scrape Vista off of it. I missed my Linux workstation when I had to gut it when the server motherboard died so I got a Lenovo laptop.
Macs and Linux work very nicely together. Netatalk for file sharing and Avahi for Bonjour make a Linux server work very nicely with a Mac.
Just out of curiosity, why Dapper for a server? Isn't Feisty better?
We use Dapper instead of Feisty because in our testing, Feisty is pre-mature product with many broken parts. They went bleeding edge on us, and for us reliability is key.
Dapper is pretty stable with a long support cycle. It also has better support for GFS support over that of Debian 4.0 (Etch).
'cause I didn't really see any need to upgrade and they still provide security updates. I will probably upgrade soon because Vim6 is annoying and I would like MySQL 5.2.
The upgrade is on hold until I figure out why the damn server resets during boot. I may need to reseat the memory or something.
Oh, I don't think I ever said my configuration. Dell Dimension 4700 w/ Kubuntu 7.04 Feisty and Windows XP (for when I need it, which is virtually never). I'm debating between getting a Mac laptop and dual-booting/virtualizing Kubuntu on it, or just getting a Dell laptop (since I hate Mac keyboards and mice, and Dell is the best Windows/Linux-based PC maker).
After using Ubuntu for a month, I don't see why anyone would pay for an OS.
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